April 3, 2005
Troy Tolley, Channel
Michael Speaks – Open Floor
[M Entity] Hello to all of you. We are here. You may begin your queue for questions, though we are aware that “tibtyc” will go first. So you may begin, “tibtyc.”
[Tibtyc] Greetings. I read in Messages from Michael: “There is only growth, often difficult, mostly painful because so few of you are willing to learn through joy.” How can we better learn through joy? And how can we learn to like joy, prefer it to pain? That is my question.
[M Entity] To learn to enjoy… JOY does often require a sort of self-brainwashing, or more specifically, an override of the programming from which you currently run. Many of you are raised in cultures that “reward” struggle, ‘hard work’, suffering, victimization, etc. There is a great amount of teaching and imprinting handed down that equates all good things as being frivolous and even, ironically, BAD. Those who struggle through poverty or pain are more likely to be lifted to a kind of honor that has an unquestioned integrity and position. Those who are enjoying life then have the unsavory position of being guilted, or held responsible for taking more than their share from the common. Prosperity, which we define as having a sense of fulfillment throughout your Centers by your own standards, is daunting, particularly for older souls, because of the imprinting and distraction of guilt.
[Tibtyc] Like, Beethoven suffered more than Mozart, thus was a better composer?
[M Entity] It could be said (and has been said), yes.
There are also fears within the Older Soul that having a certain amount of Prosperity will segregate you from what you have come to know as comfortable and familiar. In other words, if you find a healthy, loving relationship, then you will be segregated from those around you who do not. If you were to find an easy funnel of material security, it would then segregate you from those who have not.
[Tibtyc] But it seems that for many of us learning through suffering is more FUN than joy.
[M Entity] It could be described as “fun,” but that would be a misnomer. It is not genuinely “fun” for the Personality; it is painful. It could be said that the value gained on the other side of that pain, though, may be interpreted as “worth it.” There are many ways a fragment can begin to learn through Joy, Prosperity,
Pleasure instead of Suffering, Loss, and Pain.
We will describe two of the more popular ways now:
The most direct means of overriding the programming from your culture is through using that programming “against itself,” so to speak. Instead of thinking of your Joy as being something to TAKE or GET from life, it is suggested that you RECEIVE or CREATE it. In other words: you may passively invite the joy, and genuinely acknowledge that joy when it is present. You may actively create that joy, as well, with the intentions of sharing it with at least one other person in some way, so as to divert guilt. The key is in the consciousness used to experience those moments of Joy, whether that Joy is passively attracted or actively created.
[Tibtyc] Sounds like self-remembering.
[M Entity] If you choose to passively allow it, then it may do you some good to create what has come to be called a Gratitude Journal. Without forcing yourself, write down at least 3 things a day that you have genuinely felt grateful for having experienced. If you were to do this for one week, you may find a great amount of Joy being more easily extracted through your experiences. If you were to do this for one month, it would be easy to transform yourself into having the ability to grasp joy from even the worst of scenarios.
[Tibtyc] Grasp joy – but is that learning?
[M Entity] If you are creating Joy, you can do so on a small scale, first: invite a friend to the movies, to coffee, for a walk. Take yourself to the movies, for a coffee, for a walk. In those instances, simply acknowledge that you are in some way allowing your Joy to emanate out and about, affecting the world in a positive way, rather than in a defensive way.
In response to Tibtyc: We would certainly consider the act of grasping joy as having been a great learning experience.
[faldec] not mention it feels good
[M Entity] Do you really believe that you must be pummeled in a classroom in order to learn math? Do you really believe you must be falling from a cliff as your only means to enjoy nature? Do you really believe you must be assaulted as your only means to learn about Love?
[Tibtyc] A part of me does.
[M Entity] We would easily state with great validity that many have learned to enjoy mathematics without an eraser to the head; that many of learned to enjoy nature without bodily impact; that many have learned to enjoy Love without bruises.
The other method of learning to enjoy JOY is really only an extension of the first suggestion: CHOOSE IT.
By this we mean that you ALWAYS HAVE A CHOICE, WITHOUT EXCEPTION. You can extract many dimensions from a single experience, and it can always be your choice to find/allow the JOY. This is why it is easier to remain with less Joy, because your design allows you to extract even the minutest elements of Joy from the worst of scenarios. That ability can be seductive.
[Tibtyc] Like enjoying bad things?
[M Entity] Many of you KNOW you can extract the Joy from the worst, so you settle for a certain level of existence, because you can romanticize it later.
In response to Tibtyc: It is not that you enjoy “bad things,” but rather that you know you can extract the joy from it, if necessary. Most of the time, that extraction is more a means of healing, than a means of True Joy.
True Joy is CHOSEN, CREATED, or ALLOWED. If you find you are extracting Joy from a scenario or experience, then you may do so, but CHOOSE AGAIN, CREATE AGAIN, or INVITE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
We are not saying, nor are we implying, that you can move through the physical plane without scathing, but we do say that pain, suffering, and loss are not the only forms of learning. They are CHOICES.
This is not to say that you deliberately CHOOSE Pain, Loss, Suffering, but if you find yourself experiencing these states, each always presents an opportunity to choose again. If you find you are overwhelmed and feel that no choice can alleviate that feeling, then choose something especially loving for yourself, such as waiting, seeking help, calling a friend, watching/listening to something inspirational Anything that will allow you to step back for a moment, gain some clarity, and then choose again.
It is not merely poetic that we say, “You are here to learn how to choose, and to choose how to learn.”
It is the truth.
[Carrot Wax 1] In David Hawkins’ book, “Power vs. Force”, he described a scale of consciousness and energy manifestation from 1 to 1000. This goes from absolute Shame (20) to Unconditional Love (540) to Enlightenment (600) to Infinite Soul (1000) How accurate is this and how does this relate to manifestation, soul age, and conscious connection to essence?
[M Entity] This system of measurement is different from our system in the same way that Astrology or Tarot is different from our system. They cannot be accurately correlated, even if there are some parallels. It appears to be a valid system of measurement, though subjective and local (not Universal). It could not be used outside of your species, for instance. It would have difficulty translating into our system as we could easily see a Final Level Old Soul (technically speaking) still experiencing Shame, and we do not subscribe to the general concept of “Enlightenment.”
[Tibtyc] What’s wrong with it?
[M Entity] Nothing. We did not say there was anything wrong with it. The general concept of Enlightenment is seen as a conclusive state. We have yet to see a conclusion to the experience of growth; therefore, “Enlightenment” is subjective and is more accurately understood contextually and as a transition, perhaps.
[Carrot Wax 1] I guess I interpret Enlightenment from that scale as “Non-dualism.”
[M Entity] This is why we do not subscribe to the notion, as it is quite subjective and contextual, though valid in describing a particular transition or realization, yes.
[faldec] What is the significance, if any, of the bodies excavated at site 117 in Jebel Sahaba in Upper Egypt? It seems an unusual burial site for Egyptians because of the fact the bodies appeared to be buried with wounds and the weapons still in the bodies.
[M Entity] The significance will be relative and subject to interpretation, but the reality of a prehistoric “holocaust” would be valid. This appears to be the result of a growing division among local communities over the use of foods and the level of responsibility required of each other to provide for all vs. the hoarding for the stronger, more privileged. Surprisingly, it was those who stood for the equality of all who were able to slaughter those who would otherwise leave those less-able without foods.
[faldec] like the people vs. the aristocracy?
[M Entity] The social tiers were not as defined as “aristocracy vs. the people,” but more defined as the “Strong and Useful” vs. the “Weak and Useless.” The concept of caring for those weaker than the independent was not looked upon as practical.
[H2OSprtlvr] Can a fragment, in one given lifetime, gain a soul age level and if a fragment feels they have mastered or accomplished one goal (say like growth) could they work on another goal in one given lifetime? Like change their Overleaves perhaps?
[M Entity] Fragments do change soul ages and levels within a single lifetime, though it is rare. It is not as uncommon among Older Souls, however.
In many cases those transitional lifetimes are experienced, literally, as two lifetimes in one incarnation.
When a Soul Age or Soul Level shifts within a lifetime, it is rare that the Overleaves will change, but in the rare instance that one would choose to do so, it would take a minimum of 7 years for the new design to be implemented.
[H2OSprtlvr] like shifting from a goal of growth to a goal of acceptance?
[M Entity] For a fragment to change Overleaves in any situation, a great trauma is usually the only way in which to do so.
[faldec] like a coma?
M Entity: The body must literally close down and change its structure on levels on and below the levels known as DNA. A coma is a common means of shifting Overleaves and shifting Essences.
[H2OSprtlvr] you can’t just make a CHOICE to change your goal or Overleaves?
[Tibtyc] Essences? Like a walk.in?
[M Entity] Overleaves are biological. They can no more easily be replaced by a simple choice than can a limb or eye color.
A fragment may superimpose or USE a different Overleaf as a means to accommodate a short term agenda, but that is no more a change in Overleaves than the dying of your hair or false contact lenses.
Yes, tibty, in response to your question: as in Walk-ins.
It could be said that one is then limited if one cannot simply CHOOSE to change his Overleaves, but that is simply not the case. You already chose your Overleaves in the same way that you chose your body and genetic code. You chose your Overleaves in the same way that you chose Earth. Choices exist on many levels, extending between the levels of Essence and Personality.
[H2OSprtlvr] well…that’s where validation of my Overleaves is tricky… I see myself in one goal for awhile and then it appears I have another goal for awhile and so it leaves me confused.
[M Entity] We remind you that your GOAL is not something that describes your character, but rather as to where your character is drawn and to where it funnels its experiences, ultimately. In many instances, it is actually describing what your character IS NOT; hence its being a GOAL.
[H2OSprtlvr] I get that
[H2OSprtlvr] that makes it clearer for me… thank you
[M Entity] We can help you determine the validity of your Goal. There are definitive factors that would help with this.
It may also be of interest to you that each individual has 3 facets of Overleaves, many times not matching one another.
Beyond the True Overleaves, which are on record in the Akashic Plane, there are also those Overleaves of which you EXPECT of yourself, as well as those describing what others expect OF you. This is where many channeling discrepancies come into play if the channel is not using our access to the Akashic Records.
[slacnj] My question if you can answer it with a short answer is: When what you want involves another person making a choice how can you learn to either manifest that together or allow what you want into your life some other way?
[M Entity] The first choice to make above all choices in this instance is to choose to trust, honor, and allow the choice of another, even if it does not comply with your own.
If you are in a position, for instance, in which a boss’s choice will or won’t create a path for your career, you still have a choice. You can choose to quit, find another route within the company; requesting specific parameters in which your efforts can be unquestionably worthy of progress, etc.
If you cannot move beyond a blockage created by another person, you can only make choices around, through, under, beyond that point in the same way that you would navigate any obstacle.
We CAN say, however, that learning to shift your OWN energy many times resonates out of another person the very thing you wish to have as support for your choices. There are many versions of one person in your space. You are not limited to experiencing only the personality that chooses to block you, or whose choices block you. There are multitudes of versions of any fragment and a shift in your own perspective, energy, and actions can literally shift the energetic identity of another individual to a version more willing to help. They are not replaced, but rather the potential within that person to support your choice then has the option of manifesting.
Most of your obstacles seen as other people are only obstacles as reflective of obstacles within. Clear the internal philosophies supporting those obstacles and you naturally clear the external reflection of those obstacles.
[H2OSprtlvr] in other words… changing your attitude would change the outcome some times?
[M Entity] Sometimes one of the fastest and easiest ways to create harmony between yourself and another is to seek out what the other fragment NEEDS. Of course, we are speaking only in terms of obstacles, not in terms of hurtful interferences to your own choices.
You may interpret people around you in terms of how they express their Sub-Personalities. A single fragment can be a “different” person to several different people’s experiences. An internal shift of your own can invite an internal shift in another.
In other words, the Sub-Personality in you that deals with Obstacles might gently invite the Sub-Personality in who takes care of creating Harmony.
It could be said beyond all of this that there are at least 12 different approaches to changing a dynamic with another person so that your choices are in harmony. Studying the definitions of the 12 Support Positions would give you the methods in which you could improve your ability to generate harmony as you relate to others who may be obstacles.
Good Night to all of you. We will conclude here.